Posts by Coded Logic

As a Theist, how could they possibly trust the source to suggest this to himself? If God really exists, why would anyone need to trust hostile sources? Why would they even concern themselves with anything other than what they consider to be God's devine revelation?

Is the need to collect money, build churches and evangalize really consistant with an all powerful God? Why do Theist do these things if their God can do anything? Why are they borrowing from a secular world view where humans have to do things for themselves?

Because deep down inside, they know God isn't real. In other words, Theists Don't Exist .

This video below fully develops these findings. Merry Christmas to all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kosm7RFO2ew

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P.S. This thread is satrical. Please reference Perry's Post

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/289368/1/Why-Do-Atheists-Struggle-So-Much-Against-God-Who-Supposedly-Doesnt-Exist

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Does Anyone Watch Ascension?

by jw07 in

this new series' pilot episode is the perfect allegory for the blind faith of the average person in the jw movement, those who deny that anything 'immoral' or sinister happens within the ranks, the double lives, doubters, and towards the end of the episode, an example of how the governing body controls persons' lives.

check it out and tell me if you saw all the parallels.

i think it's my new favourite show.. http://tv-series.me/2014/12/15/ascension-s1e1-season-1-episode-1/.

Coded Logic

I'm really enjoying the show. When I found out the ship was supposed to have been launched in the sixities I was scratching my head. Wherey did they get flourecent lights, colored tv., artificial gravity, etc. I was serriously saying to myself, none of this is making sense.

And then . . . mind blown.

It's plot structure and charachter development take a lot of cues from BSG which is one of my all time favorite shows. Only problem is I really doen't trust the Syfy network. After the cancelation of SGU and Caprica in their very first seasons (also some of the best shows I've seen) I have boycotted the station. This is my first time back so I really hope they don't screw the fans over. This show has the potential to be epic.

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Looking for others that maybe gay or questioning

by dewey79 in

jw
friends

so i am the weird case that i still believe in the jehovah's organization.

there are a couple of things that stop me from going.

is there anyone else out there that still believes?

Coded Logic

It took me a long time to realize there was nothing wrong with me. That despite what the WT taught, I wasn't wicked or evil or "just wanting to sin." I was looking to have a real relationship in which I could be honest about who I was - a gay man. And I realized I could never do that while a JW. They would never accept me for who I am.

When I read Romans I came to the same conclusion you did. The scripture only applied to the annointed class.

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After fading I wondered, if this isn't the "true" religion then what is? The idea of searching for a new church seemed like a near impossible task. How many would I have to go to - to find the "right" one. I decided that was not the correct way to do it. That I should first look at what the Bible really says and then go from there. It was then that a very subtle idea entered my brain. An idea so simple and basic I had nearly overlooked it.

I realized that I should first verify the Bible is in fact God's word. This was a no brainer. I had been taught the evidence was overwhelming but I had never really taken the time to lay it all out. So I wrote down a list of the reasons why I knew the Bible was true:

1.) Fufilled Prophecy

2.) Scientific knowledge unknown to man at the time

3.) Internal Consistancy

4.) Moral Authority

And I resolved to fill in the exact scriptures I could point to incase I ever came across an atheist or a non-believer. I thought it would be an hour or two worth of research . . .

Six months later I had exhausted every scripture I knew, ever publication of the watchtower, every christian apologetic website, and every video I could find on Youtube to support these four basic premises. Not only could I not find evidence to support them - I found mountains of evidence that disproved them. The Bible has failed prophecy (the city of Tyre is not "uninhabited to time indefinite"), it has plain gotten science wrong (Genesis has the Sun and stars created AFTER vegitation on the earth), it is internaly inconsistant (Matthew has Jesus born before 3BC while Luke has Jesus born after 7AD), and it is morally wrong (God puts himself before the well being of his people every single time).

There are over 30,000 denominations of Christianity in the United States alone. All of which claim to follow the Bible. This would mean, that even if there was a "true" Christianity, the Bible has been used to mislead more people than it has managed to leed to the truth. And, while they all can't be right - they all can be wrong.

The Bible was written by men. And there's nothing devine or supernatural about it. It's no different than the Quran, or the Bhagavad Gita, the Hermetica, or any other so called "Holy Book".

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life after the wtbts

by Hortensia in

jw
friends

you can't move forward to a new, more interesting, possibly much happier life, if you're still looking behind at the former life.. there is so much obsession on here about what the wtbts is doing, and discussing all the forms of injustice and bullshit in the wtbts, or how to bring down the wtbts.

yes, their doctrines are crazy and they are a cult and cruel to boot.

move on.

Coded Logic

Being an x-witness is a pretty unique thing. If you've ever tried to explain it to friends or co-workers they really just don't get what its like. It's nice to hear other peoples experiences and opinions. It's also interesting to hear about all the crazy stuff that is going on with the WT. I still have some friends and a family member inside so if I ever talk to them I want to have amo to plant the right seed.

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Is is Muslim terrorist cafe seige Sydney...hundreds of hostages! looks bad.

by Witness 007 in

lindt chocalate cafe martin place in city people pressed against the glass with hands up...this will not end well..

Coded Logic

The difference between a fundamentalist and a radical is a very fine line. Whether it be Jehovah in the Bible or Allah in the Quran - God is not a moderate. Fortunately for the Christians, there is the whole peace-loving-hippy from the first century. Unfortunately for the Muslims, their prophet is a seventh century warlord.

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When will the JW's start reversing?

by runForever in

jw
friends

i think this sucker could start reversing membership within a few months..

Coded Logic

Well said Vidiot

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If God is perfect, why is there a universe?

by Coded Logic in

looking for any weaknesses in my arguments.

i put them together not to show that the conclusions are true but rather to prove that the first premise in each of them (used by religious people) is incoherent with the rest of their beliefs.

please feel free to point out what you think works or doesn't work and why.

Coded Logic

Looking for any weaknesses in my arguments. I put them together not to show that the conclusions are true but rather to prove that the first premise in each of them (used by religious people) is incoherent with the rest of their beliefs. Please feel free to point out what you think works or doesn't work and why. Thanks :)

Anti-Ontological Argument

Premise 1: God is a perfect being

Premise 2: A perfect being would be perfectly expressed

Premise 3: Creation is an act of expression

Conclusion: God would not create the universe because he would have already been perfectly expressed

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Anti-Interaction Argument

Premise 1: God is unchanging

Premise 2: The universe is always changing

Premise 3: Interaction is a form of change

Conclusion: God cannot interact with the universe without changing

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When will the JW's start reversing?

by runForever in

jw
friends

i think this sucker could start reversing membership within a few months..

Coded Logic

I respectfully have to disagree (partially) with Sloppyjoe. It's not just the JWs who are losing steam in their numbers. Worldwide, religion is losing its grip both in the numbers of people who attend church and also in the watered down versions of peoples faith. Less people believe - and the ones that do believe are less dogmatic than ever.

With every generation since the 1930s, the number of believers only ever decreases within their generation. 90% were believers in their twenties - by the time their in their sixties only 80% will still be believers. In the US, the 'kids' born in the 80s those who identify as religious are only one in three. And all indications are every generation after them will be even less so.

The JWs level of growth has been dropping since the mid 80s. Right now, worldwide, its only growing at about 2.2%. Barely above the populatation growth rate. It's inevitable that eventually more people will start leaving or dying than are being recruited. It's not a matter of if but when. I think the WTBTS will be around for a long time. But their golden days of growth are long behind them.

They don't have a sustainable model and they know it. That's why their so desperate to try and rebrand themselves. Hopefully it will backfire.